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Mark 5:21-43

 

5:21 When Jesus had crossed again in the boat to the other side, a great crowd gathered around him; and he was by the sea.

5:22 Then one of the leaders of the synagogue named Jairus came and, when he saw him, fell at his feet

5:23 and begged him repeatedly, "My little daughter is at the point of death. Come and lay your hands on her, so that she may be made well, and live."

5:24 So he went with him. And a large crowd followed him and pressed in on him.

5:25 Now there was a woman who had been suffering from hemorrhages for twelve years.

5:26 She had endured much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had; and she was no better, but rather grew worse.

5:27 She had heard about Jesus, and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak,

5:28 for she said, "If I but touch his clothes, I will be made well."

5:29 Immediately her hemorrhage stopped; and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease.

5:30 Immediately aware that power had gone forth from him, Jesus turned about in the crowd and said, "Who touched my clothes?"

5:31 And his disciples said to him, "You see the crowd pressing in on you; how can you say, 'Who touched me?'"

5:32 He looked all around to see who had done it.

5:33 But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling, fell down before him, and told him the whole truth.

5:34 He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease."

5:35 While he was still speaking, some people came from the leader's house to say, "Your daughter is dead. Why trouble the teacher any further?"

5:36 But overhearing what they said, Jesus said to the leader of the synagogue, "Do not fear, only believe."

5:37 He allowed no one to follow him except Peter, James, and John, the brother of James.

5:38 When they came to the house of the leader of the synagogue, he saw a commotion, people weeping and wailing loudly.

5:39 When he had entered, he said to them, "Why do you make a commotion and weep? The child is not dead but sleeping."

5:40 And they laughed at him. Then he put them all outside, and took the child's father and mother and those who were with him, and went in where the child was.

5:41 He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha cum," which means, "Little girl, get up!"

5:42 And immediately the girl got up and began to walk about (she was twelve years of age). At this they were overcome with amazement.

5:43 He strictly ordered them that no one should know this, and told them to give her something to eat.

 

Comments:

 

Jairus for me, represents the established faith, as a leader. Therefore, his faith in Jesus ability to heal would be important. but again we have "tell no one" appearing. Nancy-Wi


The Christian assembly gathers each Lord's day to praise God's faithfulness and steadfast love. With faith we come to hear the word and share the meal, and to know the healing that sets us free from sin and the ailments of body, mind, and soul. We go in peace to tell others of God's power to bring life from death.

Jairus, a respected leader, begs Jesus to heal his daughter. A woman with a hemmorrhage is ritually unclean, treated as an outcast in Jewish society. Both Jairus and the unnamed woman come to Jesus in faith, believing in his power to heal and bring life out of death.

Jesus comes to the shore and the crowds again gather. From among them comes the plea: "My daughter is at the point of death." Jairus, a leader of the local synagogue, pleads with Jesus to bring her healing. Lay your hands on her that she may be well. Imagine a revered leader of the community begging this itinerant preacher for a miracle and in public. Then, an anonymous woman in the crowd reaches out to touch his cloak. "If I but touch his clothes, I will be made well."

We are a people in need of healing, who crave healing. We want to be healed of our aches and pains, of our diseasess, of our infirmities. We need to be healed of our brokenness. Our lives are broken. Evidence of a broken world is all around us. Heal us too, we plead to Jesus.

The author of Lamentations assures us that "the steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, God's mercies never come to an end" (Lam 3.22). Paul reminds the Corinthian community, "You know the generous act of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (2 Cor 8.9). Indeed, we see that generosity and mercy as Jesus not only heals the woman, but calls her "daughter." We see that generosity and mercy as Jesus raises the little girl from the sleep that is death. Such is our God, the one who calls us even out of death into life, new life in the body of Christ.

Oh, and yes, by the way, give her something to eat, Jesus tells the dumbstruck witnesses to his latest miracle. Weekly, Jesus offers us something greater than any meal, his body and blood in bread and wine that we might taste a little of what eternal life is all about.


The usage of "Daughter", i.e. Daughter of Abraham in this context has significance as regards the public recognition of women in a fashion that must have raised eyebrows in Jesus' day. It strongly suggests a very different attitude towards women than that which our subsequent Church Fathers and mediaeval doctrinal leaders would have the faithful believe was the Lord's plan for our way of relating to women as we go forth to do ministry.


I find it interesting that the period of twelve years of suffering for the woman is but a comma in the greater story of the healing of Jairus' daughter.

So much here to speak about the oddities and the outright "against the grain" work that Jesus exhibits:

touching such a sick person

that the person was a woman

that he "felt" the power leave him

that she knew that just to touch his garments was enough

 

Jairus would seek Jesus

Jairus' and the woman's faith are mentioned as beneficial

Jesus didn't use any hocus-pocus or abracadabra words of magic. He spoke plainly, and it happened.

Doug in Erie


I'm curious about the woman suffering a hemmorage for twelve years and that the daughter is 12 years old. Is it significant that the number 12 appears in both stories?


why the 12's in this scripture? With so much else going on, why not? 12 disciples, 12 tribes... these could be connections wished by Mark... ...Or just God's way of showing that the "least" of these can also be healed, handled, heard... whether long in suffering or short in age!

And why didn't Jesus take all twelve disciples?

Oh yes, did JC make sure that the little girl was fed so that she would eat, and prove that she wasn't a ghost, just as he did in his resurrection appearances.

Doug in Erie


why the 12's in this scripture? With so much else going on, why not? 12 disciples, 12 tribes... these could be connections wished by Mark... ...Or just God's way of showing that the "least" of these can also be healed, handled, heard... whether long in suffering or short in age!

And why didn't Jesus take all twelve disciples?

Oh yes, did JC make sure that the little girl was fed so that she would eat, and prove that she wasn't a ghost, just as he did in his resurrection appearances.

Doug in Erie


Jairus is one of the leaders of the synagogue. PH in OH


Jairus is one of the leaders of the synagogue. PH in OH

P.S. By the way, this is the only woman in the N.T. that Jesus refers to as "daughter."


These are great lessons in faith. The woman with the issue of blood had tried the doctors and spent everything she had. You would think that by now she would be a good bit cinical but she exercises faith to trust Jesus and her faith brings healing. In the midst of this Jairus receives word that his daughter has died.Instead of going home to greive he puts his faith and trust in Jesus and sees his daughter raised to life. Perhaps the woman's healing was the catalist to bolster Jairus' faith. Just like yesterdays stilling of the storm these two were facing storms of a different nature. The storms that bubble up form within. Pardon the early rambling.

Harold in Alabama


What endeavor can be more important and more heart-warming than to save the life of a child? And yet, Jesus interrupts his mission to speak to an old woman from the crowd. In doing so, he lets the little girl die.

Did the crowd think Jesus made a bad choice? I don't think the woman wanted Jesus to stop either; all she wanted to do was to touch his robe not stop him. I guess, it is reassuring that Jesus stops for anyone who has faith, whether they want him to or not.

On the other hand, there is the dead girl. Jesus never promises to prevent harm from befalling us. He is not the Catcher in the Rye who madly tries to keep us from running off the cliff of our innocence. We will all fall. We all will commit sin, suffer loss, and die. Christ does not change that.

What Christ does, however, is offer us a second chance. Christ picks us up, transforms us, and gives us new life--both in this world and in the next.

DSS


I am baptizing my infant nephew this Sunday, and so I am considering how this passage is relevant to this sacrament.

For one, faith makes us all daughters (and sons) of God.

Also, infant baptism reminds parents that the child really belongs to God. By handing their child over to the minister to be baptized, the parents give up control, allowing the child to die and to be born again in Christ. --I am eager to flesh out this sentiment in light of the faith of Jairus and the death/new life of his daughter.

DSS


Others in the crowd must have been touching him, too, but the woman's touch of faith is what caused the sensation of power going out from him.

I yearn for a touch of that faith.

Sally in GA


"Give her something to eat." I find this an interesting ending after all that has taken place. Is Jesus just very practical; is eating proof that she is really alive....? revjaw


I love that Jesus turns and identifies the woman, even as they are rushing to the bedside of a VIP's daughter.

Why did Jesus stop to deal with this woman in the first place? By talking to her Jesus clarifies the way we get grace. You can't steal it, or sneak it. She is healed, not because she stole the touch of his garment, but because of who Jesus is, and what he desires for people of faith.

Her touch, had it not Worked to make her clean, would have made Jesus "unclean" by the purity laws of his day. (Touching the hand of a dead girl would have had the same effect.) Her action could have prevented Jesus from being able to heal others by touching them.

By making her confess, and by clarifying that she had not stolen her healing, Jesus made sure that the woman with a hemmorage would know that she was completely clean, physically and spiritually.

Another thing that strikes me is that the woman and the girl are equally "daughter" to a very important father. Each is given a full measure of healing, no matter how the world ranks their importance.

The number twelve is striking, but what hits me harder is the realization that the woman had suffered as an outcast for as long as the girl had been alive. A lifetime of condemnation was overcome.

A few random Monday thoughts!

- SS in PA


Who said the woman was old? Is it then significant that she is not referred to as a woman, but a "daughter?" PH in OH


Doing Something different this Sunday. WE are singing from the Cokesbury Hymnal and using the Responsive Reading section. We will do a reading and then sing an appropiate hymn.The whole service will be reading and singing with dinner on the grounds afterward.

Harold in Alabama


Sally in GA,

I am praying for you, that your quiet whispered request will be heard.

Lord, hear our prayer - and reach to us. . .

Pastor Binny


I think Jesus told them to give her something to eat out of hospitality and compassion. After all, being raised from the dead is hard work, and to be celebrated and rewarded by sustenance. After all, didn't He grill fish for the disciples after the resurrection?

In addition, both who are healed in this lesson are women - both daughters. Yet another huge example of Jeus celebrating the faith and place of women in the church.

I am reminded of last week's lesson, and the notion that perhaps we, along with the woman and Jairus, don't expect Jesus to act in such a big way, like noticing the touch of an outsider, or healing the child of a VIP.

Sally in GA - I, too, will be praying that your touch be heard and felt. Blessings.

kf-WA


Ok, but what about the hard question of the parents in my congregation who prayed faithfully for the healing of their child - and she died (and was not resurrected). What message does this passage have for them? And how does a pastor preach it? And of course the same question is being asked by grieving parents throughout the world whose children died and were not resurrected. IS Jesus real to them today?

PB in UK


About eating, I found the same thing that Doug in Erie said. The notes in the New Interpreter's Study Bible say that it was believed ghosts couldn't eat. Hence, Jesus may have been "proving" to the people that they weren't seeing a ghost. A minor detail, or something significant?

Also, I'm thinking about a different aspect, setting aside the purity laws this year. There's a marked difference between the folks who come to our two services. At 8:30, they love to share at prayer time. At 10:30, you can't coax people to speak at all. But, perhaps that's okay. Some need to come, like Jairus, and talk about their joys and concerns publicly. Others, like the woman, need a more private expression. Perhaps I'm formulating a sermon on prayer, testimony, and sharing. Is anyone else going that direction? MTSOfan


to PB in UK

In Greek the word "to heal" and "to save" is the same word. I don't think we can say that children who die despite their faith or the faith of their parents are not resurrected. Their physical bodies are not healed or resuscitated, but they are certainly saved. I used to know a woman who was dying with AIDS because of using dirty needles for heroin. She said that although she knew she was going to die, getting AIDS saved her life, because she stopped doing heroin and found her life in Christ. I met her when she was out teaching other addicts and would-be addicts to get smart and avoid getting the virus. The short span of the rest of her life was being lived for others, and I would say that she had more life than many folks who live to old age.


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JKS


Thanks for your prayers, all.

This is Neighbors, Friends, and Family Day, with a cookout afterward. I'm hoping to communicate that sense of desire (prevenient grace, by Wesley's def'n) for connection with God as the entrypoint to the invitation to be called "daughter," or "son." I've got a more evangelistic agenda this time. Yet, no matter how long we seek, yearn, long for faith (defined by Hal Knight as a growing relationship with God), we yearn for still more, being sanctified, going on to perfection until our hearts love as God loves.

This is a story of two physical healings, and while I hesitate to be too allegorical, the promise of spiritual healing is also there, by the very fact that Jesus calls the woman "Daughter" and is cleansed of something that makes her ritually unclean. The fact that her story is bracketed in the story of Jairus' daughter seems to indicate that physical and spiritual healing can't be separated.

While it's certainly Jesus' power that does it, with the woman, it's her faith in him that makes her well - Jesus says so himself. The little girl is a passive recipient of Jairus' intercession. Which are we? Pushy and faithful, or passive recipients of grace? The answer: both/and!

Sally in GA


During my Mother's last year there were countless times the family would be called to the hospital to hear,"Your Mother won't make it through the night." We would all gather in her room and watch her every breath as if it would be her last. About dawn she would open her eyes ans say, "I'm hungry, what's for bearkfast." Most people lose their appitite when ill but get it back when they start feeling better. Don' make too much about, "Give her something to eat."

Harold in Alabama


PB in UK--The Samuel lection for this takes a look at David's great grief and when things go very wrong in a struggle. Perhaps that will stand side by side with the healing stories as a true-to-faith experience as well. Aslanclan


According to Ched Myers, "Binding the Strong Man: A Political Reading of Mark's Story of Jesus," the healing of the two daughters is a subversive story. In the foreground is the healing of the two; but the background speaks of entitlement, power, sexual roles, honor, shame, equality, inherited rights, etc.

When Jairus is entitled to come to Jesus, the woman with the flow of blood lacks any social status. Jesus disrupts the cutural expectation of behavior by treating the powerful and the weak the same (the first shall be last).

As Myers states: "Jesus is portrayed in a way of social interaction that breaks the rules and expectations of the conduct that obtained in Palestinian honor culture, shocking those hwo heard the story and undermining their sense of social order and propriety. Mark's Jesus was subverting the status quo inorder to create new possibiities of human community."

tom in ga


I don't think you can be too literal about this passage, or you end up with the problem PB mentioned. Why are some healed and others are not? Perhaps it is better to think of this text as suggesting a metanarrative of sorts, i.e., yes, alination, suffering, illness, and death are real, but they are not ultimately real. In Christ, all things are made well. I can't help but thing of Julian of Norwich who asked about suffering on her (near) deathbed. I don't know if the answer solves all our problems, but the crucified Lord revealed to her, "All shall be well, and all shall be well, in all manner of things, all shall be well." I'll accept that by faith. EcclesialMan in NC


I'm think about the two images of patient faith portrayed here. On the one hand we have Jarius and his family who seek out Christ to come immediately to bring healing. But when the girl dies, they send word, "Don't bother!" But the "bleeding" and "unclean" woman works and wades patiently and methodically throught the crowd to finally reach JEsus. If she were well known in the community for her "illness" the community would have known her to be unclean and may have attempted to prevent her from coming too close.

I think of the spiritul fruit of patience mentioned by Paul. I'd love to hear from some of you regarding this.

Steve in NC


Hi- have not contributed much recently, although I am often lurking in the tall grass.

Count it up to age or being ordained for 42 years,but I find myself in this text and others like it, going for more for simplicity. I love to explore word meaning, the Greek, the scientific possibilities of this and that, use reason, etc.. In the end I find that i want to tell the story, perhaps paraphrase and look at NT Midrash, use a story approach and get out of the way so it can tell itself. I am less inclined today to cast doubt on the text and lean on the hermanuetics and exegesis of it all. A couple of .35 words eh? Learned them in my Progressive Seminary BUST. Frankly, I believe that so often the people in the pew are further ahead of the preacher...they are hungry and thirsting and ready to believe in the healing of the woman who bled for 12 yrs and the healing of the daughter of Jarius... while we often wail away with the definitudes of recipes and analyse the account to death.

People do deal with why not all healing prayed for comes as they expect it or desire. We don't know why some people are healed and other are not... it is a mystery. Perhaps we are not susposed to why "why?"..that is sort of a German, and Western question anyway. I am content at this point not to know the answer to that question. I have been healed my prayer and the laying on of hands, and I now many many who have. There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus healed... both of these in the story, plus their family members. I figure you need to preach healing whether you know much about it or not...in the end it is not about you and what you understand... but in whom you trust.

keep finding that Breaking Open the Word is a joy.

pastordon, elmira,ny


Is this story within a story, really about healing? Or perhaps a better word is "restoration." Both the woman and Jairus' daughter are separated from God. Jairus' daughter is dead. Jesus gives her new life in Christ. The hemorraging woman is separated because of her uncleanness. She can not participate in the life of the faith community. Jesus restores her. She has new life in Christ. All people are healed. Some receive healing in this world. Some receive it because God takes them home to be with him. PH in OH


I think we can easily miss some of the flavor of this text by trying to make an application without "feeling" the text. There are two "healing" that take place. In each situation there is a character so desperate that they have come to Jesus for help. The lady with the hemmorage not only has come to her wits end, but also risks making others who come in contact with her Unclean. By touching Jesus robe, she makes him Unclean. Yet, going past the cure, she also is returned to society. For Jairus, he comes desperately to Jesus because his daughter is near death, and in healing the woman with the hemmorage, delays long enough that the child dies. Again, Jesus becomes unclean by touching the body of the dead daughter. Yet, becoming unclean, heals the child. It seems to me that certainly part of the key to understanding and preaching the text will need to deal with the double theme of desperation and unclean. I think it is here we come in contact with Mark's need to tell us this story. Lynn in Omaha.


Let me run a thought by y'all:

Again, Jesus shows us that the poor are his priority. The poor, the outcast, the marginalized, while the leaders and "the establishment" are often criticized, or, as in this case, take second place.

THe paradox of the Gospel, of life itself, is that when we are wandering in exile, we're promised that our warfare will be accomplished and we shall have a home. Once we get to the home, we become "established," and therefore less urgent in God's care. Established people don't need a savior to stand up for them whereas the outcast desperately need inclusion.

Jairus' daughter was affiliated with the establishment, being the daughter of a synagogue leader. Yet, still a second-class citizen, as a female. The folks at this time would have seen her as her father's posession and his intercession on his behalf, though truly grief-stricken, was nonetheless for his possession. The woman with the hemorrhage didn't even have that.

it reminds me of last Saturday during our church's yard sale ... a woman introduced herself to me (I've been here 2 years and had never laid eyes on her; she's in a different church now) as "Jane Doe, Charter Member." It was kind of off-putting to me. It reminds me of how the long-time members of the church feel a sense of ownership of the church because they've given money and mowed the grass and what-not. It's why they feel a sense of "entitlement" to take the best parking places, and to claim preachers' time. It's why, when they complain about a new element in worship, their complaint holds more weight than 40 positive comments.

Jesus made Jairus wait so that a daughter, suffering and outcast for 12 long years, wouldn't have to wait a single moment longer to be commended for her faith.

Faith has no sense of entitlement.

Sally in GA


Oh, wasn't perfectly clear - Jesus claimed the woman with the hemorrhage as HIS possession (Daughter) because of her faith. Public profession of faith - from the Lord himself!

But, we all yearn to be his sons and daughters.

Sally


Sally in GA,

Thank you for your thoughts. You are on to something very important, this since of entitlement among the "establishment." I am in a small town and parish in Northwest Georgia. The community is growing and those who have been here for years are threatened so much that they only see those who they know. If you are new in town it is hard to find work, and you may go for years without anyone recognizing you. This will change, but for now it is painful to those who come here to live. Only the well heeled are those who can be garranteed healing. If you don't come from the blood line, much less have a flow of blood, no one wants or welcomes you.

tom in ga


Hi everyone -- back in the pulpit this week! Just home from a whirlwind round-trip back to KS -- will be back "here" tomorrow after I read through all of your great commments!

Blessngs, Eric in OH


The thing that sticks out to me in this passage is both the woman who was bleeding for 12 years, and Jairus, were in need of healing, and in that case were on level ground with each other. Even though he was a prominant member of the community and she was a woman cut off from society. A father, who we can assume had done all he could to help his daughter,risks all and seeks out Jesus to heal her. The woman, having been most likely cut off from her community because of her condition, risks all to be healed. Both are healed, and both are restored to a new and different life. It makes me ask the question, how much are we willing to risk, to step out in faith for healing? Especially in the knowledge that Jesus seemed to ignore the status of both and healed them both, even taking her, with less status first. Maybe this should remind us all that what Jesus' feels is the faith within us to reach for him, and it has nothing to do with our social status, but that we are children of God.

Susan in Wa.


What if Jesus were telling the truth (or we take these two stories literally)? The woman's faith is what healed her and not Jesus, and the young girl was only sleeping?

Just thought I'd rock the boat, TB in MN


I am "jealous," for lack of a better word, of the woman who was able to reach out and touch the robe of Jesus--not because of proximaty, but for another reason altogether.

I find myself praying for healing for people with heart conditions and broken bones and mental health needs and cancer and--you name it... but I tend to minimize my own needs. It's as if I assume God will take care of me without my asking. But the woman in this text doesn't wait for God to come to her, or for friends to intercess for her. I should learn from her.

Michelle


I remember taking a class while in seminary regarding the preaching on miracles... I believe this was the text I had chosen to preach on. My wife was at work and I was trying to organize my thoughts when my son (then 6 months old, now 19 years old)... I'd work on the sermon a few minutes, and hold my son the next hour, on again and off. Finally it came time for me to get to my preaching class. I went up and preached my sermon... it was not my best. After the class, my professor, Dennis Ronald McDonald said to me... "Rick, I don't know what happened but I expected a lot more from you, what happened?" When I explained that I was struggling to be a "Dad" and also a student and being a "Dad" won out on this day. He then shared with me that ... "I" just preached a great sermon on this passage. What he meant was, Jesus was forever "Stopping" what he was doing and being distracted by the crowds... in order that he might minister to their needs leaving his "work" for later. In a "Kingdom of God" Moment Jesus took the time to heal the woman with his love and care... AND ATTENTION... to the details... of what was most important...

For what it's worth... :?)

pulpitt in ND


Hoping to make contact with Chuck in WI who posted last week something that I would like to discuss with him. If you connect this week please contact me at ripper@vaxxine.com.

Regarding the Gospel text. I wonder how many would like to be able to 'touch' Jesus' clothes for their own healing. Would their faith permit them to make the move with confidence. In my 'mainline church' I wonder how prepared people would be to take the risk. On a more troubling note -- How many would consider it an option? We are a staid group you know. RevRip - Ontario


In the Episcopal Lectionary this week, an edited version this Gospel (vv. 22-24,35b-43, only) is teamed with other lessons: Deuteronomy 15:7-11 and 2 Corinthians 8:1-9,13-15.

The former ends with Moses admonishing the People of God: "Give liberally and be ungrudging when you do so, for on this account the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. Since there will never cease to be some in need on the earth, I therefore command you, 'Open your hand to the poor and needy neighbor in your land.'"

The epistle ends with Paul saying of and to the Corinthians: "I do not mean that there should be relief for others and pressure on you, but it is a question of a fair balance between your present abundance and their need, so that their abundance may be for your need, in order that there may be a fair balance. As it is written, 'The one who had much did not have too much, and the one who had little did not have too little.'"

I am struck by the radical equality of persons both in these admonitions and in the example set out in the Gospel: both the daughter of an influential family and an outcast "unclean" woman are healed - the one who had much did not have too much, and the one who had little did not have too little....

Blessings, Eric in OH

 


Why the 12's? (The woman had been bleeding 12 years, the girl was 12 years old.) The number represents the 12 tribes of Israel. Israel is understood to be God's bride, thus female (Hosea, for example). Both the woman and the girl represent Israel, and their healing represents the healing Jesus offers to Israel. The woman's bleeding means in part that she is barren. Similarly, the girl is on the verge of childbearing years. Israel is barren, unable to grow or prosper, an occupied vassel of Rome. The bleeding and the girl's death are statements about the spiritual state of Israel - the lifeblood flowing out of the community, spiritually dead wright at the moment in history when the oppurtunity is ripe to convert the Gentiles, and thus bear millions of "children". I think this is a story about Jesus healing the people of Israel, and it suggests interesting parallels to many mainline churches.

Steve DG


Twice in one day Jesus encounters the physical touch of the unclean, yet he doesn't become unclean. Does this teach us about our human notions of who is clean or not. In today's world (in the US), many are deemed "unclean" and association with them makes you "unclean" as well. Having gay friends makes you gay also. Being friends with someone from the Middle East makes you unpatriotic. Marrying someone in a different ethnic group means you hate your own ethnicity. But Jesus disregarded all those social stigmatisms and instead did what he had to do. Whether a person is rich or poor, clean or unclean, a leader or marginalized, Jesus takes the time to make them well. Perhaps we should spend more time touching the "unclean" of our society and give them Jesus' touch of love. Maybe then we could quit wondering why the Church isn't growing in the US like it is in other countries. HW in NC


HW in NC - and, as for me - being a nerd makes the "in" crowd shy awaay from me for fear of being labeled a nerd.

As to the 12's - thank you for your comments, Steve. I also seem to remember that the number "12" had a special significance prior to there being 12 tribes. I'm thinking it's a number that's a multple of 3 and 4. The number 4 represents completion - as in the four corners of the earth, or four directions or four elements, and the number 3 represents perfection but I can't remember why (prior to the doctrine of the trinity, that is). I'm not "into" numerology, but I know folks who are, and I'm certain that this woman's issue of blood happened the year the little girl was born - 12 years ago - was intended to be a message for Jesus' listeners. I hadn't planned to explore this aspect during the sermon, but you bring up some good points about the mainline church. Not too long ago we studied the vine - get too far away from the lifeblood and we start to die - seems like a similar theme to me! Especially for the season.

Sally in GA


Seems tough to preach to someone who has lost a child to death. I believe it was Tony Campolo who commented that the miracles of Jesus had more to do with love and compassion than anything else and that when Jesus says, "you will do even greater miracles than these" he is talking about our capacity for love and compassion. Perhaps to focus on the love and compassion Jesus showed rather than taking the results of the miracle too literally? revjaw


Sally in GA and HW in NC - Amen to your words! Pulpit in ND - as "Pastor Mom", I appreciated your words and your professor's insight! revjaw


Barbara Brown Taylor has a wonderful sermon entitled "The Problem With Miracles" that foucuses on this text. It is in her book, Bread of Angels. She does an excellent job of dealing with miracles that don't happen for the rest of us.

She writes, " Jairus just followed Jesus home and watched that unclean holy man do his work. Either way, the high point was not then but earlier, when Jesus told him, "Do not fear, only believe." If Jairus was able to do that then he would have survived whatever happened next, even if Jesus had walked into his daughter's room, closed her eyes with his fingertips and pulled the sheet over her head. Her father's belief would have become the miracle at that point, his willingness to believe that she was still in God's good hands even though she had slipped out of his. "It helps me to remember that Jesus prayed for a miracle on the night before he died. "For you all things are possible," He prayed to his abba. "Remove this cup from me." ONly when he opened his eyes the cup was still there. Di he lack faith? I do not think so. The miracle was that he drank the cup, believing in the power of God more than he believed in his own. It is always a miracle, ins't it, when we understand that God is God and we are not. "I do not expect any of us will stop praying for miracles. I hop not, because the world needs all the miracle it can get. Every time you hear about one, remember that you are getting a preview of the kingdom. There is simply no formula for success, which is a real relif for those of us who cannot seem to ring the bell. (earlier in the sermon she uses an illustration about those carnival games where you swing a hammer down to hit a target and ring the bell at the top of a thermometer looking thing.) Maybe we cannot do it because it is not our job. "Do not fear; onl;y believe." That is our job. The rest is up to God.

Sorry this is so long. Hope it is helpful. I usually don't write so maybe I am just making up for lost time.

Kate in Philly


Many thanks to everyone for thoughts on how to preach to those who may have lost a child themselves. (That extract from Barbara Brown Taylor is particularly helpful.) I realised half way through the week that these miracle stories only make sense because of what happened later. Imagine if Chapter 5 had become detached from the rest of the gospel and discovered like the Dead Sea Scrolls - it would just be another ancient story about a wonder worker. Its only because Mark goes on to show who Jesus was and that he himself died and was raised that the point becomes clear. So the stories point first to who Jesus was, and then to the way he creates and restores relationships. To end with 'all will be well' seems entirely appropriate. (I'm not a great fan of Victorian hymns but "Through the love of God our Saviour" by Mary Peters seems to fit well after the sermon.)

Again, many thanks.

PB in UK


My sermon for this Sunday is posted on the "cover page" of this Sunday's DPS forum. You'll find some of your own comments there....

Thanks all.

Blessings, Eric in OH


It is only the really desperate preacher who wait until Sat to post; and here I am!

Tha raising of Jairus' daughther is nothing short of a miracle, BUT it becomes a "lessor resurrection" when placed over against the final installment of the Gospels. Healings and earthly coming back to life are temporary at best! The understanding we all have to come to terms with is that we all die! If in the course of a lifetime, some healing occurs, great but the final event we all face is the ending of life. It is here that our faith becomes tested; do we believe in eternal life or not? What God through Christ offers is the "greater resurrection."

We are Easter people, yet sometimes we forget what is at the end of our life journey.

Healing that does not happen as we desire it does not reveal God's ignoring our request, nor does it imply lack of faith on our part. God is still God and we cannot control what God does or does not do. Our faith is just that God will be God and is present with us, loves us, forgives us and we are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. This is Good news!

A W-G rocky coast Me.


Thanks, Pastordon

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar," as Fritz Perls said (others say it was Carl Jung). Anyway, sometimes a miracle is a miracle and while we may make other points -- in this case that it was empowerment of the unempowered ... on ad infinitum... -- there are two miracles here.

Most of the time I'm like Jarius... Won't ask for myself, but for others in my charge. Yet, there is a gaping hole in my heart. I'll bet Jarius would not have risked asking for a miracle for himself. But it was for his daughter! We'll do anything for our daughters! Even suffer loss of dignity by asking an itenerant preacher.

Well, Miracles still happen. Jesus tells me, as he told Jarius, "only believe."

MAR


Just another late thought; Most of ministry is by interuption! The planned events can go well and programs do offer ministry, but the real gutsy stuff, almost always happens when it is not in my date book. A sudden call, someone stopping me in the store, or on the way to an "important" (?) meeting, usually mean that someone is in dire need. This story reveals interuption upon interuption, and Jesus is present in ministry. What a model! A W-G rocky coast Me.


Kate in Philly - thank you for the BBT excerpt. I like the use of the word "miracle," and it reminded me of something I got from one of the teaching sessions at Annual Conference (and which I used in my sermon last week). The definition of a "miracle," according to Dr. Steve Hunter, is when people discern God's will and move in that direction.

Yet, I'm not sure it applies here. We can't know whether the woman and Jairus sought Jesus just because they'd heard tell of his healing capacity - unaware of his deity. Nonetheless, they moved in God's direction and Jesus gave a miracle anyhow.

Taylor speaks well to the times when a miracle doesn't happen. The problem of taking this text and Jesus' words, "Your faith has made you well," too far.

Sally in GA (working on a Saturday AGAIN!)


I'm ALWAYS a "late entry"... RevJaw thanks for the kudo... regarding my "Dad" story.

I titled my sermon "Taboo Topics Still Today!"...

I may make mention to the Supreme Court Decision... regarding "same sex" relationships... and the multi-million dollar contract for young "Mr. James" the HS Basketball rising star of the NBA who was chosen first in the NBA Draft this week.

This week, I met with a 18 year old "artist"... who will have no "Nike" shoe deal... even though he is just as gifted as Laran James or whatever the name. My artist friend is still picking up the pieces in his life after a drunk driver took his mother's life while driving the wrong way on an Interstate Hiway... she changed lanes to pass a semi-tractor trailer and was killed instantly as was the drunk driver....

Our WORLD NEEDS to be TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AND TABOO topics need to be addressed...

still formulating...

Thanks for those of you who are more prolific early in the week! As a procrastonator, I appreciate it!

;?)

pulpitt in ND


Sally wrote...

Others in the crowd must have been touching him, too, but the woman's touch of faith is what caused the sensation of power going out from him. I yearn for a touch of that faith.

I like that image...

I might just borrow it...

pulpitt in ND (The latest of the late!) I was even late for the historical question at my ordination... "Will you be punctual?" I came through the audotorium doors at EXACTLY the end of that question! Seriously! It wasn't my fault! See, the retirees were supposed to be up right after lunch, but since their lunch was late... they bumped up the ordinands... and sure enough, I WAS LATE! ;?)


I am going with the parallel to the church. In this season after Pentecost I preach evangelism, church growth, healing the church, etc. I have titled this sermon "Get Up, Little Church!" I would elaborate, but there are probably not more than 3 of us still struggling at this hour! I forgot that my lay delegate was giving the conference report tomorrow, so I have to shorten my sermon and still keep it together. Thank you all for always being there, 24/7. I know we all appreciate each other! Toni


PB in UK

Sorry this is so VERY LATE...maybe you will read it in time, maybe in time just for you. I have been at Confirmation camp all week and so am just now reading your thoughts. I sit with those parents in your congregation all the time. One day, I will likely be one of them. My daughter has cancer and has one by one seen many of her friends die. Their families prayed with great faith. And yet, they burried their children. Yes they are resurected. But not in the same way that this child is. And it is hard to hear. But the best we can do is to remind those parents that God promises to be with us. God understands. And God weeps when our children die. It is never God's will that a child should die. But God's will will be done in spite of the crud in this world and through faith, lives will change because of the child. My daughter has touched more lives and encouraged more peoples faith in the last two years than most of us do in a life time. God uses even the tragidy in life to reveal himself. Pretty awesome if you ask me. And that promise is what gives our family peace. I will pray for you tomorrow, and for the family you type of each day. Tammy in Texas


PB in UK, Tony, Sally and whoever else is still around...

I echo the concern with stressing the child brought back to life... girl or boy... my own church secretary's son died... he was 3 when he stepped off the curb between cars and an on-coming car hit and killed him. It took a long time for her to get through her grief, in many ways she will never be "over it".

I DO like Leslie Weatherhead's spin on such cases. He talks about God's "intentional", "circumstantial" and God's "Ultimate Will"... God's will is often mis-quoted I believe.

He tells the story of a friend of his whose child (a girl) was bitten by a mysquito that carried malaria.

The father of the girl said, "I guess I must just accept it as it is God's will."

Weatherhead said to his friend, "What if your neihbor came over in the middle of the night and put a pillow on your daughters face and held it there until she suffocated?"

"What a terrible thought, how could you even think such a horrible thought, my neighbor would never think of doing something so cruel!"

To which Weatherhead said, "Isn't that what you're saying about God... as if God came an is now suffocating your child with this dreaded disease?"...

Late food for thought...

I press on... as "press time nears"...

Blessings and care,

pulpitt in ND


I know it's late...

Here was another "Answered Prayer"... we preacher types don't make the "Big bucks"... pretty much paycheck to paycheck... although most tithe.

Here is one for the books...

A parishoner of mine left his keys in his van one night, parked outside of his bedroom window in his driveway... he lives on the edge of our "Fair City"... in the morning he saw that it was stolen.

Through his deep depression beating himself up for having done such a foolish thing... he prayed for peace, prayed for whoever took it... that he might enjoy it, but return it safely.

A week passed, no van returned, police doubted they'd EVER find it...

2 weeks passed, began to finally sleep at night, his prayers continued.

3 weeks passed, he had accepted that the van was gone for good, his prayers continued.

One month and 3 days after it was taken, a local "garage" called, they had impounded his vehicle one month ago and were only NOW trying to find the owner because after 30 days... they could now sell it as an "abandoned vehicle".

He was to pay $600 to retrieve his own vehicle... the VAn was worth about $8,000 and only had liability on it.

This man is somewhat a grandfather to my kids... helps each one with mudflaps... and other incidental repairs... my daughter's car was his next project. IT's sat motionless for almost a year... finally he asked if I could have it towed to a mechanic he knew and HE'D pay for the repair of it.

As his wife said, "When God answers prayer, he feels it's only right to 'PASS ON THAT JOY' by answering someone else's prayer on God's behalf!"

Thought that'd preach... somewhere, some time...

With prayers of thanks,

pulpitt in ND