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Sue in London March 21, 2006 |
"I have seen the Lord" - a seeking woman who is surprised by what she finds, or better - by the One who finds her. Transformation occurs when Christ finds us... our closed world opens, our understanding begins to glow, familiar restrictions in how we structure our life fall away. Early thinking on Easter Sunday sermon! |
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Pastor Pat April 4, 2006 |
My early Easter thoughts are: It's not about You! (or is it?) Thinking about talking about how the disciples were reacting early in the morning, before empty tomb discovered. I don't think they really understood until they received the Holy Spirit) He set us free! (but we choose to be bound to Christ)Thinking about using handcuffs, which will be removed and then a chain(maybe paper) to attach myself to the altar. Hard to come up with something new, and something for those C & E christians. |
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KHC (khc) April 9, 2006 |
Very true - the disciples did not understand. Neither did Mary, really. Everyone was a bit muddled, and we can hardly blame them. Eyes can deceive us, hope can make us think we're seeing things that aren't there - wishful thinking. It takes the intervention of the HS to open our eyes to what really is in front of us. That did not happen until Pentecost, even though the Disciples were to encounter Jesus in the Upper Room. Nothing got them moving and truly believing what Jesus did until Pentecost. We still don't fully "get it". If we did, we would be living like Easter Christians every day. Our eyes are clouded by our own hopes and our own wishful thinking about what Jesus is all about. As Pastor Pat points out, it's not about us, it is about Jesus and his amazing gift of love. But then Jesus turns around and tells us it IS all about us. What he did was for our sakes. He did it for the sake of "his brothers" to whom the message of hope and victory would be shared immediately by Mary. Mary saw the Lord, first dimly, then clearly. She despaired, then she wishful-thought. She hoped, then she believed. She wept, then she rejoiced. She held on to the presence of the Risen Lord, then she let loose with Good News that he was alive. She may not have understoood one bit of all this that was unfolding around her, but she was willing to believe whatever God put to her. Her thoughts may have been muddled, her vision distorted, but her heart was willing to accept. That's really all Jesus really asks of us - that we believe with our whole being - tears, arms, hearts, souls and imperfect minds. |
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Ed in GA April 10, 2006 |
"Woman, why are you weeping?" Mary is twice asked. I can't speak for the original language, but in English I can see two questions in one - "What is the reason for your weeping?" and a gentle "Don't you know you shouldn't be weeping - this occasion calls for a different response?" Both questions speak to Mary's lack of understanding of 1) What is happening; and 2)the Significance of what is happening. As her eyes are opened, she begins to understand, though at first she still wishes to hold on to Jesus in His present form. But Jesus sends her on to help open the eyes and end the weeping of the other disciples. Why are we weeping? What grief and sorrows have entered our lives? What losses have we experienced? What sins have we suffered? What sins have we committed? What opportunities have we squandered? Does, and how does, the truth of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ impact the reason for our tears, and the appropriateness of our tears? Still questions and not answers at this point... |
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Terry from Oklahoma April 10, 2006 |
Okay, one of my favorite Easter sermon starters: A pastor is talking to three folks and asks them, "When you get to the end of your life, and the minister is giving the eulogy, what would you like them to say about you." The first one says, "I'd like to be remembered as a great doctor, one who saved many lives and cared about all." The pastor asks the second person,"And what would you like said about you at your funeral?" The second replies, "I'd like them to say that I was a wonderful teacher, cared about the students and helped many to have great futures." Turning to the third person, the minister asks, "And what would you like said about you at your funeral?" The third one thinks for a minute, then struck with a revelation, "I'd like someone to say... Look! He's moving!" Okay, a little sick... but gets their attention and opens the door to talk about resurrection!Ya'll have a great Holy Week... and thanks for all the help last week! |
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PJ April 10, 2006 |
Yes, the news of Easter Day is good. But isn't it just a little too good? Too good to be true? Doesn't it sound less like the gospel truth and more like wishful thinking or a fairy tale? The first witnesses of the resurrection had their problems with this message, too. No one thought Jesus would rise from the dead, least of all the first disciples. All of them had fled. Even the women who came to the tomb sought the dead among the dead. When they heard that their Lord was raised, they were so poorly prepared for this news that they turned their tails and fled. Their mouths were zippered shut. Isn't that just like us? We claim to be disciples of Jesus Christ. We pay him our respects and anoint him with our fragrant thoughts of adoration. Then, when we are called upon to "go and tell" and proclaim his death and resurrection, we are filled with fear and trembling. Just because we are failures as disciples, however, doesn't mean that God allows it to remain that way. Jesus Christ is risen from the dead. But, more than that, he raises us from the dead and empowers us for service. The risen Christ could have written off his disciples and summoned others in their place, especially Peter who denied him. He could write us off, too, especially when we deny him again and again. Instead, Jesus gathers his fearful, faithless disciples, forgives them, and empowers them for service. Once again he takes his position at the head of his forgiven flock and leads them in a ministry of teaching, healing, preaching, loving, and serving. The women's encounter with the angel at the empty tomb is as much about the resurrection of deadbeat disciples as it is about the resurrection of Jesus. Now that's resurrection--a rising from the dead! |
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KHC (khc_) April 10, 2006 |
Please remember these men were not really touched by the truth of Easter's message of resurrection and hope until Pentecost. They remained afraid and locked away for awhile and then not ready for much for some time after Easter. Pentecost, the coming of the Holy Spirit, lit a fire under them to go and tell. And boy, did they! Once they were resurrected in their spirits, there was no fear, no lack of hope, no lack of purpose. The Risen Lord would be introduced to anybody and everybody who would stand still long enough to listen, offering a resurrected Easter life to all. |
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Dogwood Dave April 11, 2006 |
I had a phone call last night. It was from a former student, when I was in campus ministry 20 years ago. I hear from him 2 or 3 times a year. This time he wanted me to hear his confession. He had commited a felon, but later on took back the stuff he stole and found it still bothered him. He wanted me to pray for him. I told him I would pray for him, but he needed to know my prayer was not more powerful than his own. God loved him very much and just as much as preachers or other religious leaders. He asked what he could do for me. I said, you can live your life in gratitude to God for being forgiven. Some how, I think that is Resurrection! |
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Rabbi in IL April 11, 2006 |
Is there a lot of nude gardening in the ancient world? Jesus exits his tomb, leaves his graveclothes behind, and is now standing in the same garden in which he was buried. What is he wearing? Or did Jesus borrow a pair of shorts and a "Greenthumb" t-shirt off the gardener's clothesline nearby? Remembering the old Russian custom of telling your best jokes on Easter, because of the joke Jesus played on the devil in rising from the dead. |
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KHC (khc) April 11, 2006 |
Looking at some of the Renaissance paintings, it becomes clear Jesus probably didn't find that gardener's clothes line. I like to make church bulletins from fine art prints, and can't use many of the Crucifixion or Resurrection scenes because too many would object to Jesus with a tiny strip of cloth and nothing more. |
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Rabbi in IL April 11, 2006 |
Indeed! And he probably didn't even have that much on, on the cross. One occasionally reads in a book that the Jews were allowed a loincloth when crucified, but I can't find any documentation to that effect. Maybe he was standing behind a bush, and that's why she thought he was the gardner. |
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Cindy April 11, 2006 |
Yes. Where did Jesus get clothes? Of course, as the new Adam, could he be naked and 'not ashamed?' Is there something there or am I getting delirious? |
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KHC (khc) April 11, 2006 |
Oh, the things we worry about! laughing all the way..... |
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Rabbi in IL April 12, 2006 |
Cindy, I was only kidding around, but that "new Adam" line will preach! That's a keeper! I'm not really seriously suggesting that Jesus was actually nude at that moment, to the eyes of Mary. But that is a wonderful addition to old sermon on two gardens (Eden & Paradise)! There are actually THREE gardens! As we sing in the old hymn, "Oh what a foretaste of glory divine!" Thanks for passing on your delirium to the rest of us! |
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Dogwood Dave April 12, 2006 |
Not sure I know the third garden hymn that was quoted, but "I'll come to the garden alone", because I am too embarrassed being naked? Chew on that one? HA! |
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Rabbi in IL April 12, 2006 |
Dogwood Dave, That was a line yanked, entirely out of context, from "Blessed Assurance." Went the garden alone, because you were embarrassed about being naked. Hmmm... And what was it (the 1st) Adam said? "I was afraid, because I was naked, so I hid?" If the garden described in Revelation is the regaining of Eden, and Jesus is the second Adam... Mom! Cindy and Dave are making me think! Tell 'em to quit it! |
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JG in WI April 12, 2006 |
On the clothes question, it occurs to me that a man who walked on water, multiplied loaves and fishes, and rose from the dead wouldn't have too much trouble finding a suit. Certainly He'll have no problem finding a suit for His bride. "'Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.' It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints." - Revelation 19:7-8 (NASB) |
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Chris in Santa Rosa April 12, 2006 |
Without offering stale theological statements, what does the resurrection mean to the common parishioner in the pew? How is the resurection relevant to the 20-something male who only goes to church only on Easter Sunday and Christmas in order to please grandma? Jesus is risen! So what. Is this another hocus-pocus event? Something in the past that holds little meaning for us today? Tell me, HOW IS IT RELEVANT? I think I have an idea, but I thought I'd throw this out for some discussion. |
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Terry from Oklahoma April 12, 2006 |
Chris, thanks for asking the "pew relevancy" question. I try to ask it every week as I'm preparing my sermon. I'm thinking if Mr 20y/o is only coming to church to please grandma, there's not a lot we can do to make it relevant for him. I don't believe in Jesus because of the hocus-pocus events... I believe the hocus-pocus events because I believe in Jesus. But perhaps, God will speak to Mr 20y/o, through you and your genuineness and your interst in him...and through the church family at worship. God has a habit of breaking in that way. Thank God he's there on Christmas and Easter... with or without granny! Good sabboth! |
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DLS April 12, 2006 |
The Resurrection is relevant, period. Everybody may not find it as spiritually uplifting, but it is relevant. The earth is still spinning because of it. Humanity has not been wiped away in anger because of it. Losing that grandma means being able to see her again one day because of it. Life has a purpose because of it, meaning there is something greater than we are. We don't have to be slaves to written law because of it but are now living under grace because of it. I could go on all day on why the Resurrection is relevant to people who don't seem to give it any thought. |
preacherlady April 12, 2006 |
The Resurrection is relevant, because Jesus is Alive. He is alive in those who hear the cry of the needy! He is alive in thethose who seek to serve him! He is alive in the cry of the newborn baby. He is alive and active in our daily lives. Jesus is alive! He dwells in each of us. we only have to allow him to live in our hearts. |
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MEG April 12, 2006 |
Chris, You asked the million-dollar question.
If something isn't perceived as relevant in these days that are filled with one busy activity after another, it will be ignored or discarded. For someone seeking spiritual answers that have intellectual integrity, the resurrection has the ring of truth-- because it is truth! There's no way to explain the existence of Christianity without the resurrection. Who knows? Perhaps the 20y/o has silent questions about which of the many religions out there is true. Or maybe (s)he isn't thinking of that at all. But the seeds that are planted -- even twice a year -- may lie dormant until there is a crisis of some sort. And then there will be a memory of the God who loved the world and each person in it, and proved and validated that love through the resurrection. It is such a pity, isn't it, that so many people come only twice a year to get their "dose" of religion, and miss the whole history of the salvation story. All we can do is plant the seeds and pray that they fall on good soil. |
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dpreachgodspeed April 13, 2006 |
Chris...every sermon should ask the "So What?" question! If there is no answer (or sometimes the question is sufficient) we need to start over. It seems to me that there is a great corrilation between Mary's looking for Jesus as is the 20 something male or female, including you and I, looking for Jesus. Many people who are on the margins of the church or even outside the church do this searching all the time. And Jesus asks each of us; "Who are you looking for?" We look for Jesus as we want or think Jesus looks like. For Mary, she was searching for a dead Jesus, however, Jesus is Risen...(HE is Risen Indeed!) We maybe bringing all of our stuff with us to this blessed day...searching for Jesus, looking for him only as we see him. This is very limiting...God is much bigger than that, bigger than how we want to see God, bigger than how we envision God. The good news is that we (as preachers) can and should relate to that searching...it is not as if we have found Him and bottled him up, put Him in a box and take Him out when we need something. Like Mary we are constantly suprised about Jesus appearing to us...So how does that relate to those who are not just C & E christians but what about those that missed Good Friday...what have they come to celebrate? The resurrection certainly is Good News but it must answerr that faithful question of a sceptical generation; "So What?" How does this have life implications for ALL that are in the Pew? |
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JG in WI April 13, 2006 |
The relevance of the resurrection to the individual in the pew is truly our key question. My thoughts would include these. First, it tells us that the grave has an exit. It is not the site of a hopeless end. Archaeologists working in the ancient city of Thessalonica found an inscription which says, "After death no reviving. After the grave, no meeting again." Jesus turns that sort of thinking on its ear. Everyone in the pew faces a grave. Do they know about the exit? Second, I believe the resurrection means our faith is not vain. We have one of the most historically verifiable miracles ever recorded. We have the testimony of witnesses. We have the witness of history that SOME event completely changed the apostles and many others. N. Thomas Wright speaks of six metamorphoses which occured in the early Christians and the actual resurrection of Jesus is the most likely explanation for them. We believe, not some philosophy of platitutdes, but in a genuine historical event. Thirdly (but certainly not finally, for many more things can be said), it says that your body matters to God. Like His body rose, so too will yours. We are like Him in His death, and we will be like Him in His resurrection (Romans 6:5). Many of the world's religions (and certainly the gnostics) degrade the body saying it has no eternal value. Jesus says that it does have value and He has come to dwell within our bodies, paying our bodies the ultimate compliment. Those were the first three thoughts I came up with. You know us Baptists - we do stuff in threes. :) |
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Ed in Ga April 14, 2006 |
So Mary was weeping because she didn't find
what or whom she was looking for. Meanwhile our pews are filled on Easter with C&E Christians who have come either 1) seeking, like Mary, but not yet having found "it"; or 2) not seeking, only having come as a tradition. Just because these people are not seeking doesn't mean that they are not weeping. The tradition that draws them to Church on Easter Sunday is a magnet, pulling them toward something they don't quite know they need. Mary wept for a Jesus she lost; they weep for a Jesus they don't yet know they've lost. John 10:10, "I came that they might have life, and might have it abundantly". Can we offer that abundant life? Can the joy of the Resurrection, the joy of Easter so shine through our services on Sunday that they will come to see that Jesus is truly life and hope and the answer to a question they didn't know they were asking, to a solution that they didn't know they were searching for? |
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David MacDonald April 14, 2006 |
It's been a long time since I've posted here,
but something has been on my mind, and I would like others' opinions. . . Sorry to throw a new tangent into this thread, but I'm wondering how others are planning to preach this Sunday in light of all the Judas/Mary Magdalene/DaVinci stuff going on in the popular media? I plan to use the opportunity this Sunday to address some of these issues in light of how we approach the resurrection as Christians. It seems to me that this Sunday is a great time to reach people whose only exposure to mainstream Christianity occurs two times a year, and at a time when the culture is inundated with talk about who Jesus really was and what really happened in his lifetime. How are you planning to address this? (if at all) Thanks, David |
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MEG April 14, 2006 |
They say that the best defense is a good
offense! I don't plan to address any of the "Judas/Mary Magdalene/DaVinci stuff" directly. (I will begin to tackle that in Sunday School next week.) In the first place, it's really not relevant to the day, and I think to bring up is to give them a credence that these fictions don't deserve. It would make a lot more sense (if you are using John) to talk about the Shroud of Turin. The point of Easter is that Jesus is alive! It was the proclamation of the church from the earliest time -- there would have been no Christianity without the resurrection. N.T. Wright has a wonderful and clear presentation on why the resurrection is the most logical explanation for the historic events that followed. Folks who come only once or twice a year need to hear the gospel in clearest terms: "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to [many witnesses]." |
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Duke Vipperman April 14, 2006 |
What changed Mary? Not the empty tomb. Not the angels. Not the vision of Jesus - she misunderstood that. And she was later denied the empirical proff of touch. What changed Mary. When he called her by name. This is John's gospel - everything his deep significance. Someone correct me if I am wrong here. Is this not the first vocative in the gosepl, the first time Jesus calls to someone BY NAME. He said, "Mary." What preaches in this passage is not what Jesus was wearing (or not) but that he called her name. He is calling your name. Now. Listen. What is your name? Can you hear him call you? |
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Duke Vipperman April 14, 2006 |
What changed Mary? Not the empty tomb. Not the angels. Not the vision of Jesus - she misunderstood that. And she was later denied the empirical proff of touch. What changed Mary. When he called her by name. This is John's gospel - everything his deep significance. Someone correct me if I am wrong here. Is this not the first vocative in the gosepl, the first time Jesus calls to someone BY NAME. He said, "Mary." What preaches in this passage is not what Jesus was wearing (or not) but that he called her name. He is calling your name. Now. Listen. What is your name? Can you hear him call you? |
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Peter in NB April 14, 2006 |
Duke, I believe you are right on that the turning point in the passage is when Jesus calls Mary by name. It is also significant that while Jesus calls her (and us) that is not the end. He then sends her (and us)with a message. By virtue of Jesus' death and resurrection the way has been opened for us to be part of his family. The one he calls Father is our Father! |
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rev2b April 15, 2006 |
I'm preaching to a congregation who is in the process of closing. I'm paralleling the (soon to be) empty building to the empty tomb. The physical congregation is gone but the spirit of the congregation continues on with us as we move forward in fellowship with others. Thoughts? My theological parallel is breaking down because I don't want to say that we are Jesus resurrected but that because of the image of the resurrected Jesus dwelling in us we are able to continue going forth in the world sharing the good news and proclaiming the gospel out of the teachings and lessons learned in this building. I'm trying to address the grieving process that we naturally go through when something physical dies (especially a beloved church home) while rejoicing that we can continue in new life (with new people in a new church home.) |
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Duke Vipperman April 15, 2006 |
Rev2b, If you are going with the empty tomb
image then keep the parallel going. Jesus was not raised in spirit only but also in body. If the church is closing, how will the assets, if any be liquidated and distributed? Here in Toronto when a church is closed, 20% of the funds mst be allocated for congregational development elsewhere - and in our case a certain chunk of that will be set aside for church planting - from the sacrifical "death" of one congregation, potentially comes the resurrection of many. |
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rev2b April 15, 2006 |
Duke, thank you for that. In fact, the congregation is giving all of the pews and the table and everything to a Presbytery that was hit by Katrina. They are putting together a couple of new churches and rebuilding a few old and so they will be using all of the church's stuff in one church or several churches. Thank you. |
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Duke Vipperman April 15, 2006 |
Re: Divinci Beware the Dan Quayle syndrome: to prove your case by disproving a fiction. Doesn't work because its ultimately self-defeating - what you intend to prove becomes assoiated with the genre of fiction! But it is or will soon be in the background so, I am venturing a few hints, such as... Mary saw him die. What she was less sure of is his rising. It is easier - and more fun - to believe as many did & still do in conspiracy theories; in her case that body snatchers had taken him away: Mary says that twice. We are meant to hear her initial impressions of that day as if they were our own. They have taken the Lord. They have hidden the truth from us. Why we can only guess, but that’s easier to swallow than his rising - than th truth – and less demanding of us. |
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Duke Vipperman April 15, 2006 |
Re: Divinci Beware the Dan Quayle syndrome: to prove your case by disproving a fiction. Doesn't work because its ultimately self-defeating - what you intend to prove becomes assoiated with the genre of fiction! But it is or will soon be in the background so, I am venturing a few hints, such as... Mary saw him die. What she was less sure of is his rising. It is easier - and more fun - to believe as many did & still do in conspiracy theories; in her case that body snatchers had taken him away: Mary says that twice. We are meant to hear her initial impressions of that day as if they were our own. They have taken the Lord. They have hidden the truth from us. Why we can only guess, but that’s easier to swallow than his rising - than th truth – and less demanding of us. |
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Duke Vipperman April 15, 2006 |
Re: Divinci Beware the Dan Quayle syndrome: to prove your case by disproving a fiction. Doesn't work because its ultimately self-defeating - what you intend to prove becomes assoiated with the genre of fiction! But it is or will soon be in the background so, I am venturing a few hints, such as... Mary saw him die. What she was less sure of is his rising. It is easier - and more fun - to believe as many did & still do in conspiracy theories; in her case that body snatchers had taken him away: Mary says that twice. We are meant to hear her initial impressions of that day as if they were our own. They have taken the Lord. They have hidden the truth from us. Why we can only guess, but that’s easier to swallow than his rising - than th truth – and less demanding of us. |
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JJS April 15, 2006 |
The Dan Quayle Syndrome? Is there only one of those? Ha ha. |
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Jack in BC April 15, 2006 |
Here it is on Easter Saturday with baptisms
this evening and I'm trying to think what it is I should be saying to people in Church tomorrow morning. What IS the relevance of the resurrection...? I too mused (amused) on the question of what Jesus was wearing, but that's really a red herring. I've been thinking about how our lives become entwined with the Easter, how our stories become wrapped up in his story - how we enter into his death in order to share in his life. Though in a way that's the wrong way round: HE enters into our life of suffering, pain and death so that we may enter into his resurrection life. He became what we are in order that we might become what he is. But how does this work out on Easter Sunday - both for the faithful regulars who have heard it so many times and are so familiar with it that it's hard to know what to make of it, and for the visitors of whatever age who rarely engaged with the story. What will make them be still thinking about it the day after the day after tomorrow...? Something about having eyes to see the inner spiritual reality of the situation. The Easter in ordinary, in the ordinary. Despite the war and suffering, the disease, the hatred and pain, the suicide bombers and insurgents, the misunderstanding and greed and deception, somehow we still proclaim an Easter Gospel - are we nuts? How do we go on? How do we have the gall to proclaim good news in the face of all this. How can we come to see all things anew and live the Easter, be the Easter in the ordinary - the ordinary which for millions is very unordinary - o for the blessing of a bit of down to earth ordinariness. Humph. One never knows, do one? |
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VA Pastor February 28, 2007 |
As children we play the game of hide and seek, after the person that is "it" counts hiding his or her face he or she calls out "Ready or Not Here I Come" and proceeds to go out and seek the "lost" Jesus seems to be calling out "Ready or Not Here I Come" The disciples were lost in their grief and fear, the women were not expecting to be found at the tomb - but Jesus went out and sought them and returned them to home base. No more sorrow, only joy!! |